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But while you wait,
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where you're zooming in from?

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We'd love to see where everyone's coming from.

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And it just, I don't know,
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Warsaw where it's 1 a.m.
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Thank you so much.

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Well it is exactly five o'clock,
so I think we're going to get started.

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Welcome, welcome everyone to Centering Respect,
Trust, and Equity in the D-Web.

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This is our November D-Web meetup.

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I'm Wendy Hanamura.

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I'm going to be your host for today.

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I'm also the Director of Partnerships
at the Internet Archive and one of the

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many, many people stewarding
this community called the D-Web.

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I am coming to you from San Francisco,
California, and I want to ask you to do me

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a favor and drop in the name
of the city where you are

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zooming in from in the chat.

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We'd love to see where people are.

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I see Nate in New York and yes,
Ayal in Warsaw and Savannah in

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Lisbon and Jenny in Oakland.

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Thank you so much for joining us.

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I know that it is very early morning
for the folks in Asia and very late

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in the middle of the night for those in Europe.

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So we really appreciate you
making it to this virtual meetup.

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We want to start this meetup
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biggest questions out there.

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How do we embody the values we
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I want to remind you of the
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created by our whole community.

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We're going to drop a link to
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And the third principle, mutual respect.

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That's what our featured speaker
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How do we build a more
ethical decentralized web?

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How do we build a web that's centered
on respect, on trust, on equity?

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First, I want to share with you a little
bit about the game plan for this event.

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You're going to hear our featured speaker,
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speak about those topics.

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Then we're going to take you kind of around
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by leaders in different
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Finally, as we always do, we'll end up in
Gather Town, which is a place where you

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can roam around, meet people, socialize.

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It's virtual, but it's as close
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socializing in the D-Web.

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By now, you're all Zoom experts, I know.

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But just a few tips.

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Please keep yourself on mute.

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It will probably be best for
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speakers,
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And I'll try to get to as
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We also want you to make
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Everybody reads the comments, the observations.

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You will often find people
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So please put those in the chat.

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And I also want to remind
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This is always a lively gathering,
but it has always been a respectful gathering.

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We do not tolerate any forms of harassment.

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If you have some, please know that
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And you can always email us at ethics at
archive.org to let us know later about

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something that you wanted
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But first, it's my pleasure,
my honor to introduce to you Coraline Ada Emke.

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She's a leader and a pioneer in
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A terrific code of conduct
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She's also the leader and founder of the
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the brand new organization for ethical source,
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in January of this year.

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You may know Coraline because she also
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Geometry of Respect, Trust and Equity
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where she suggests a new way forward.

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We're honored to have Coraline
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to build a more ethical D-Web.

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Please welcome Coraline Ada Emke.

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Wendy, thank you so much for
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And I want to say I'm very I
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So by way of introduction as a as an append
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began my career as a software developer,
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I have a twenty seven year career
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When you mentioned Contributor Covenant,
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the most popular kind of conduct
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So you could say I invented Codeofconduct.
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human rights abuses by tech corporations.

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principles of human rights.

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mentioned, was founded this year.

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And I invite you all to go to ethicalsource.
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principles, which I was so pleased to see.

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We're actually referenced as related
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So I want to start by by calling
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The open definition, which was written in 2005,
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freely access, use, modify and share
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requirements that preserve
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that I work in,
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they're very licensed focused.

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think in in the world today ignores
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technologies we create and
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practice and the experience of open source.

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I fear that the the open definition has
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that same kind of iteration because
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disparities in access and
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harm, who is impacted and fundamentally
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happening across the broader digital
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principles are part of it.

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The D web, the preamble to the principles
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values of a decentralized web based
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But first, let's explore the D
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respect for others and the third one,
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equity, mutual trust and respect.

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was expected to write 1500 words on a code
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I wanted to do. What grabbed me were
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us toward building better technology.

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questions for me like how do we define better?
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does it really mean in practice?
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So to start with, let's look at respect.
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starts with making our values and
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Continually reassessing their impact
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changes within our community
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things like codes of conduct,
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ethical decisions that inform our
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been talking about recently,
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In the open source world and in the
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user we define as someone upon whom a
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consent. Now, Contributor Covenant,
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respectful to within our communities.

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And the author of the pull request said,
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being respectful of differing opinions,
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we should focus on tolerance.

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published in Perspectives on
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from the target's perspective.

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paper, and it was actually sort of a
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tolerance actually has a significant
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of those who are being tolerated.
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health, but also physical health.

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We tolerate things that we don't like.
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boring party.
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don't enjoy. And that's not what I want.
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research that I read really put words,
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as a transgender woman, how tolerance of
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this begrudging fine, I'll use your pronouns
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versus respect, which says I value you,
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because of who you are.

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granting of permission to deviate
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time. Tolerance centers the comfort of
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be tolerant is asking them
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trust, conflict is politics.
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scientists. The first being transactional
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and North America. It's very transactional.
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earned by consistently delivering a result.

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quality code. But it's important to recognize,
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what we do, that there are other trust
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model, in fact, is not universal.

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And effective trust is more relational.
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most importantly, it's focused on what happens,
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And trust is a very complicated concept,
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think about trust again in the context
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It's necessary for us to bridge these two
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only focus on transactional trust,
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digital colonization. So what we have
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people with influence, is earn that trust.
We can't assume that simply because we

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have an institution and we give ourselves
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We're respected not because of our intent,
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learned as part of my work in the social
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So in short, trust is earned and sustained
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actions and their outcomes.
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trust through what they do.

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But those with power must extend trust
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recognizing them for who they are.

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Trust in a global context requires
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kinds of trust in our communities.
But the big word, the big

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important scary word is equity.

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And it's very difficult to kind of,
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about. Diversity, in fact,
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Which opens it up to gaming. It opens
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acts, it opens up, you know,
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counting the number of black and brown faces,
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anything.
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and inclusion can be a step toward equity,
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imbalances.
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everyone is starting from the same place
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needs.
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diversity, it's not inclusion,
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shared definition so it will come by?

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fair? Who decides what is just?

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individual's worldviews and experiences.
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we've never actually had it.

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equitable way to define equity
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And this requires not mere consultation,
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reinforces very often wrong idea
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It can be a form of digital colonialism
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Rather, we have to understand who is
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by our technology, who is impacted by open.
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meaningfully empowered in
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In short, those with power,
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What we're seeing over the past couple
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responsibility are taking the open world
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pushback is that the status
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Systems of oppression are dynamic and
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that open all alone will magically,
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outcomes sustains these systems.

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Achieving better outcomes globally requires
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of open. We have to look beyond vanity metrics.
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We have to continually assess our real
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recognition of that fact in the
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The Internet Archive was its D-Web principles
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values based on enabling agency of all people.

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Wikimedia launched its Knowledge Equity
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Matters protest of 2020 and that's designed
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inequality around the world.

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The Creative Commons Five Year Strategy,
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collaborate with them on a consult with
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beyond copyright because content sharing
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violations of non copyright norms that
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communities. And they go on to say we
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broken and we stand ready to fix it.

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It's time for us to broaden our
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responsibility,
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adopters or our users, but accountability
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Respect, mutual trust and equity are
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effects of open. Open is not an end to itself.

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The promise of open won't be fulfilled
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actions and their real impact.

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Values that we merely express but that
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really values at all. They're lies that we tell

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ourselves to avoid accountability.

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that we listen for. Words that are spoken
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us with influence and those of us
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whom we yield that power.

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Thank you so much, Coraline.
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the things that you're listening for,
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hear. Tell me what you see.

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And hear when you witness respect,
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Aside of relief, the joy on someone's
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recognized and having their concerns and
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how magical that can be.

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And I think [...] hear as people being
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equity and things that mutuality are
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being thankful that they're being listened to.

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And I see my responsibility as really
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in my life about distributing agency.
So I was so happy to see agencies

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specifically called out in the DWEP principle.

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It's about empowering people, often

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the least powerful among us,
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themselves, their lives, their dreams,
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Coraline, Moav asks,
do you have any star examples of communities

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Whenever I'm asked about the best open
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most equitable open source community,
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And ifme.org is an open source
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people, including myself, who live with
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on a topic like mental health,
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about how they create that sense of
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users, but also for the people
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is governed and being very explicit about
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for and valuing all forms
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I really always hold them up as a
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You mentioned in your talk that we
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metrics. And I noted that and was
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you're creating is actually
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about the real world impact of it.

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We measure the things we value, but we
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source, the notion that social
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saying Facebook adopted my adopted my
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library. Those two things are not equivalent.

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I want to open this up to other people's
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hand and I will try and call on you or
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I see that one of the architects,
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principles my she calisthen is in the house.
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Japan, where she's now a grad student
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[...] going to turn it over to you.

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and the organization for ethical source
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the goals,
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I want to I want to start by by sharing
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that I went through a few years ago,
I've been I've been working for justice and

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equity in tech and in particular an
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Of the 20 teens, there's a cohort of us
who are all we had each other's we had

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each other's backs, but we all had our
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were pursuing whether it be publications
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our particular area of
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its goals because of that fact,
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even the most vitriolic criticism and one
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heart and in 2019 when I saw the the
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I took that to heart and I knew this was
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for ethical source, we have about 250
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of our community is multi
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social sociologists anthropologists,
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only are bigger than one person and
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been able to partner with the Internet
archive with. creative comments with these

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other stewards of the digital comments
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problems are are very big and these
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of sitting down and solving the
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a lot of open source projects are run by
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would it be beneficial for open source
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Decisions should be made by the people
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those decisions and and part of a
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other people, but rather to allow to to
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open source projects. should be representative,
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representation can happen, even with
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strategy for small open source
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going to pick i'm going to pick on
chromium for here for a minute.

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We have an open source project that
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exploiting free labor forward
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Google decided to remove support for
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sheets are a tool that's often used by
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as an accessibility tool.

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by the Google core team. who literally
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you want, it doesn't make matter how much
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chromium. that's where representative and
transparent governance really needs to

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it's not as important.

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We have to understand the context we
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decisions that are right for our
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Well, Coraline thank you so much for your
work for your leadership, we hope that

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you'll stick around and join us in
gather town so people can ask you more

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questions directly and please.

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Join learn more about Coraline's
organization and I hope you'll

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drop it in chat so people can learn.

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Oh, certainly thank you so much Wendy.

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Thank you.

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Well, everyone on that note,
we want to now turn and take you around

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the world we're going to be having seven
lightning talks some from Warsaw from

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Lisbon from the metaverse.

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And here's here's the rules,
you each have five minutes to present

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and when you hear.

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A quack that means you have one minute
left and then two minutes left two quacks

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means you're completely out of time,
even for questions so let's get started.

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First, a woman who in this part of the
world needs no introduction Jenny Ryan

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she's coming to you from Oakland
she's the co founder of so

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many terrific nonprofits.

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Omni commons pseudo mesh pseudo room,
but today she's joining us as the project

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manager of the CINO browser CINO
meaning censorship know. it's a project

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of one of my favorite organizations
equality and some of the best. makers

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of tools that protect human rights in
the world work for equality, so please

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please welcome Jenny Ryan
talking about her project CINO.

445
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,001
Well, just to start, I think,
thank you so much Wendy for that very generous

446
00:32:28,001 --> 00:32:35,001
introduction and it's it's nice to reconnect
with a D web community here and now.

447
00:32:37,001 --> 00:32:43,000
Just quickly going to make
sure I am sharing my screen

448
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,000
properly so one moment.

449
00:32:58,001 --> 00:33:00,000
There you go.

450
00:33:01,001 --> 00:33:08,001
Okay, seeing the first slide.
yeah as the intro so yeah many of you might

451
00:33:08,001 --> 00:33:13,000
have met me in the context of pseudo mesh
previously in people's open network.

452
00:33:13,001 --> 00:33:20,001
All sort of ongoing in kind of pandemic

453
00:33:20,001 --> 00:33:22,001
hiatus at the moment.

454
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,000
But recently I started working for a
really wonderful organization called

455
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:34,000
equality building decentralized
tools for enabling

456
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,001
free speech and access to information.

457
00:33:39,001 --> 00:33:45,001
In in multiple concrete projects,
one of them that i'm working on is called

458
00:33:45,001 --> 00:33:48,000
censorship now are CINO browser.

459
00:33:49,001 --> 00:33:56,001
And I will dig into that further shortly, but I

460
00:33:56,001 --> 00:34:01,000
did have kind of a a
premise and in all of this.

461
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,001
And forgive me for navigating back.

462
00:34:09,001 --> 00:34:16,000
That riffs very much off of everything.
carlin's just been saying.

463
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,001
And hard to digest you know trying to.

464
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:29,001
Make this also a conversation
about the point of

465
00:34:29,001 --> 00:34:34,000
decentralization and and the
promises and possibilities.

466
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:42,001
And who we've taken to account as we
build these tools whose voices are heard

467
00:34:42,001 --> 00:34:44,000
how we account for.

468
00:34:45,001 --> 00:34:52,000
Yes, security privacy and and
making sure everything is

469
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,001
very transparent.

470
00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Throughout the process of building
and outreach around. onboarding

471
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,000
people to use them in the first so.

472
00:35:06,001 --> 00:35:10,000
Just to start we all care
about decentralization.

473
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:15,001
And returning to the core ideals of the
Internet as a distributed uncontrollable

474
00:35:15,001 --> 00:35:18,000
wellspring of thoughts ideas and information.

475
00:35:19,001 --> 00:35:24,000
For those with privilege and technical
abilities I contend that the crux of your

476
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,000
energy should be spent on ensuring
this fountain of knowledge

477
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,001
is accessible to everybody.

478
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:35,001
In particularly those oppressed by actors
and institutions seeking to control and

479
00:35:35,001 --> 00:35:39,000
regulate communication flows so really.

480
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:45,000
I ideally we're building these tools

481
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,001
informed by the people that are going
to use them and the risks that they're

482
00:35:48,001 --> 00:35:54,001
really facing and most of us are not
intimately familiar with those risks.

483
00:35:56,001 --> 00:36:00,001
Probably wouldn't be in this conversation
right now if we if we really were.

484
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,000
So there's that.

485
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:11,001
And we really need real dedicated
contributors developers I

486
00:36:11,001 --> 00:36:18,000
just perspectives.
informing the design of these technologies to

487
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,001
ensure actual digital human rights.

488
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,001
So i'm going to talk about one such
project senior browser I only have a few

489
00:36:28,001 --> 00:36:31,000
minutes. and.

490
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Specifically, it is a mobile web

491
00:36:37,001 --> 00:36:40,001
browser. that's designed.

492
00:36:41,001 --> 00:36:48,001
On a peer to peer functionality
basis to store and share cached

493
00:36:48,001 --> 00:36:52,000
web content that may otherwise
be blocked by by sensors.

494
00:36:53,001 --> 00:36:59,000
So it's using decentralization as a means
to deliver and share web content and as

495
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,000
a countermeasure to web censorship writ large.

496
00:37:09,001 --> 00:37:13,000
apologies going back and forth here.

497
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:14,001
So.

498
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,001
The general one on how it works.

499
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:25,000
Most web traffic in countries that filter
the Internet goes through centralized

500
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:31,001
exchanges we're all familiar with these
Google Facebook Twitter Amazon so on.

501
00:37:32,001 --> 00:37:39,001
And that makes it very easy for
sensors to block requests for that

502
00:37:39,001 --> 00:37:44,001
content based on domains and and again these

503
00:37:44,001 --> 00:37:46,001
centralized. servers.

504
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:53,001
In the case of an active censorship scenario.

505
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:02,000
This could be.
very commonly experienced in China in Iran.

506
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:09,000
and actually an increasing amount
of countries across the planet.

507
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:17,000
And and that makes it essentially impossible
to just get that content using in

508
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:23,000
country. general mobile data that most
people are going to be using to try

509
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,001
to access a website right.

510
00:38:24,001 --> 00:38:31,000
So CINO is built off of.

511
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,001
Firefox for Android.

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Is a tool an application that stores shares

513
00:38:46,001 --> 00:38:51,000
caches web content and
shares it peer to peer over.

514
00:38:51,001 --> 00:38:58,001
Using functionally bit torrents
distributed hash table. and other

515
00:38:58,001 --> 00:39:02,001
ideas in the works for more
local sharing opportunities.

516
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Once the website is accessed by someone
using CINO browser that content is

517
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,000
stored. shared and made available in this.

518
00:39:17,001 --> 00:39:19,001
Distribute cache of content.

519
00:39:22,001 --> 00:39:28,000
And just a little overview of what's under
the hood again I think I've mentioned

520
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,001
all of this that it's built
off of Firefox for Android.

521
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:40,000
In iteration of it utilizes bit
torrents to HT for pure sharing of

522
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:45,001
content and the we net library,
which is an open source library.

523
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000
That we are just really starting to get into.

524
00:39:50,001 --> 00:39:57,000
Making more available for third
party applications to use to enable

525
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,001
distributed.

526
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,000
And peer to peer sharing of web content
through their applications so some links

527
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,001
here and happy to share after
and looking forward to the

528
00:40:10,001 --> 00:40:12,001
gather town conversation.

529
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:17,001
Yeah, there's.

530
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,001
The final slide i'll just keep that up.

531
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,000
Thanks for the quacks.

532
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,001
Thanks Jenny [...] at more over in gather town.

533
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:36,000
Right we're going to go from Oakland to Warsaw,
where it is like 1am plus in the

534
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,001
morning next up is a l ron he's
the co founder of asteroids.

535
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,000
He has a PhD in mathematics from free
university in Berlin, I know that he helped

536
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,000
to write some of the specs
for Germans blockchain.

537
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:56,000
And also he's the founder of many startups,
the latest of which is asteroids,

538
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,001
which is a search engine for decentralized
websites welcome to the D web meetup.

539
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,000
Hi, thank you very much for the introduction
i'm actually so happy to be here,

540
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,000
but I came in the middle of the night,
but you know that's why I have coffee for.

541
00:41:12,001 --> 00:41:18,001
yeah so i'm a and i'm doing a project
which is called the asteroids asteroids

542
00:41:18,001 --> 00:41:20,001
actually has a kind of three parts.

543
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,000
One of them is the future is the vision,
what we want to build one of it is the

544
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,001
past what we already did and one of them is the

545
00:41:27,001 --> 00:41:29,000
present, which is what we build now.

546
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,000
And i'll start with our future because that's

547
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:34,001
the most exciting thing why we do it.

548
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,000
I have to say i'm quite humbled to be
here the two talks before me was super

549
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,001
impressive and talks you're so interested
in almost wants to listen to them more

550
00:41:44,001 --> 00:41:49,000
than actually to give mind.
awesome event so asteroid

551
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:50,001
is building a democratic web.

552
00:41:51,001 --> 00:41:56,000
That's that's the goal, we want to have
an alternative to the current web,

553
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,001
which is like a democracy.

554
00:41:58,001 --> 00:42:03,000
This means both the web protocol and we
also have to have democratic platforms,

555
00:42:03,001 --> 00:42:09,000
you know imagine social media, which is
actually. governed by its own users and

556
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:13,001
disconnects to what Corin said in her
first lecture or in the Q amp a that

557
00:42:13,001 --> 00:42:17,000
decisions should be made by the people
who are most affected by these decisions.

558
00:42:17,001 --> 00:42:22,001
And obviously it's the users of the web
who are affected by this decision and

559
00:42:22,001 --> 00:42:29,000
they should go from the web. it's an
entity to the court web people are members

560
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:36,000
of the democratic web, we are not users
and together they govern that like you do

561
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,001
in a democratic state, so there are elections
and representatives and government.

562
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:46,000
I mean the whole idea is to take the
model of democratic state of democratic

563
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,000
organizations and move it forward to
the Internet age with modernization,

564
00:42:51,001 --> 00:42:56,001
obviously, and with changes that
you have to do for a medium

565
00:42:56,001 --> 00:42:58,001
but still keep you know the call.

566
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,001
Technically, we base it on the decentralized
web and more technically we use the

567
00:43:06,001 --> 00:43:11,000
ns and ipfs websites,
the main thing here is the decentralization

568
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:12,001
for us is a mean to our goal.

569
00:43:13,001 --> 00:43:19,001
It's a mean to an end it's a tool that we
use it's not the goal and we basically

570
00:43:19,001 --> 00:43:23,001
use the decentralized way because
that's the only way that we know how

571
00:43:23,001 --> 00:43:25,000
to implement the democratic web.

572
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,001
And the first thing that I want you to
take from this lightning talk is that if

573
00:43:32,001 --> 00:43:35,000
this idea of democratic web
is interesting for you.

574
00:43:36,001 --> 00:43:40,000
Come and talk to us, we have email and we have.

575
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
[...]

576
00:43:44,001 --> 00:43:48,000
We are happy for for public chairs,
we are having for call because we just

577
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,001
started the project like half a year ago,
we are we are

578
00:43:50,001 --> 00:43:52,000
in the first few steps and.

579
00:43:52,001 --> 00:43:57,000
We want input we want people to be involved,
we don't want to be doing it all

580
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:01,001
ourselves, so please come and contact
us if the idea of building democratic

581
00:44:01,001 --> 00:44:03,001
web interest you.

582
00:44:04,001 --> 00:44:09,001
Now, this is the future, we are now in
the present and we cannot build this

583
00:44:09,001 --> 00:44:13,000
democratic web like either way,
there are many steps to take in between.

584
00:44:13,001 --> 00:44:19,001
So the question is, what did we do so
far and we started in April this year.

585
00:44:19,001 --> 00:44:26,000
And we decided to base what we do on
ENS and IPFS websites so ENS and IPFS

586
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,001
technology we call those websites D websites.

587
00:44:30,001 --> 00:44:36,001
There are many other ways, I mean many
other decentralized websites, but right

588
00:44:36,001 --> 00:44:40,001
now for this talk in SNIPFS websites will
be what I mean when I say D websites.

589
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,001
We identified when we started we identified
that the few challenges in this D

590
00:44:45,001 --> 00:44:48,000
website atmosphere and one of
the big one was discoverability.

591
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:54,000
There were already a few thousand websites
and like new ones popping up every

592
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,000
day, but it was difficult to discover
them and you couldn't keep track

593
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,001
what is new you couldn't see the tracks.

594
00:45:00,001 --> 00:45:05,000
So the first thing that we built and let's
see if yes, I can do my share screen

595
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,001
smoothly that's amazing yeah we built a
search engine for the decentralized web.

596
00:45:10,001 --> 00:45:14,001
This search engine is actually
the centralized website itself.

597
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:18,001
Which I think is quite cool.

598
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,001
It works quite you know normally search
engine UX is one of the things which

599
00:45:24,001 --> 00:45:27,000
which I think reach maturity and
you can't improve on it much or

600
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,000
at least I don't know how to.

601
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,001
And if you search for NFT,
which is very trendy right now, you see lots of

602
00:45:34,001 --> 00:45:37,000
centralized websites which do NFT.

603
00:45:38,001 --> 00:45:41,001
Because there are like only a few thousand
websites, we are not sure if people

604
00:45:41,001 --> 00:45:45,001
want to search or they just want to
see what happens, so we also have

605
00:45:45,001 --> 00:45:47,000
like tools for browsing websites.

606
00:45:48,001 --> 00:45:51,000
You can see which one are
you which one are popular.

607
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,001
The other thing that we did is that there
is no awareness for the decentralized

608
00:45:55,001 --> 00:45:59,001
website ecosphere, so we started at the
center as website of the week award.

609
00:46:00,001 --> 00:46:03,001
And if you are interesting to see what is
what are the best ways that every week

610
00:46:03,001 --> 00:46:05,001
follow our Twitter and see the world.

611
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:11,000
When the last thing that we do is the
present that's what we do now and what we

612
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:17,000
do now is taking asteroids and turning
it into a democratic platform.

613
00:46:19,001 --> 00:46:23,000
Obviously, I don't have any time
to give details on it, but.

614
00:46:25,001 --> 00:46:29,001
If this interest you come to our medium,
we have a few articles, but we wrote

615
00:46:29,001 --> 00:46:34,000
about it on how we do that
I posted links in the chat.

616
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:41,000
And if it really interest you, please come
and talk to us because we want to have

617
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,000
people involved it's supposed to be a
Community website our community our discord

618
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,001
already have 100 people, more or less,
and they are quite active, but

619
00:46:47,001 --> 00:46:49,001
we want more than we have want ideas.

620
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,000
And we want to start with you know we
don't want to put on stuff that we have no

621
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,000
idea on like how to manage a Community etc.

622
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:05,000
And if you don't want to be part of it,
thank you anyway for coming and

623
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,000
listening to me, it was a pleasure being here.

624
00:47:08,001 --> 00:47:10,001
I think we all want to learn more.

625
00:47:11,001 --> 00:47:18,000
I have seen I think people are questioning
how I introduced you I meant to say

626
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,001
that you were a writer for for some of
Germany's blockchain specs, can you just

627
00:47:23,001 --> 00:47:25,001
shed a little bit of light of what you did.

628
00:47:26,001 --> 00:47:32,001
Sure, sure, sure I finished my PhD in
2016 and afterwards I had a start up with

629
00:47:32,001 --> 00:47:37,000
consulting or kind of small projects and
one of those we were hired to write.

630
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,001
Something which is called Dean specs Dean
is the German industry organization, it

631
00:47:43,001 --> 00:47:49,000
was two specs about blockchain i'm not
sure what is the legal status of those

632
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:53,001
specs in Germany, one of them was about
boxing terminology in the other was about

633
00:47:53,001 --> 00:47:55,001
blockchain notary.

634
00:47:55,001 --> 00:48:01,001
Like timestamping with blockchain I think
it was 2018 and I think with like oh

635
00:48:01,001 --> 00:48:05,001
yeah right there's a link here and I think
that it's already like expired because

636
00:48:05,001 --> 00:48:12,001
I think the validity of those specs
is for three years but. i'm not sure

637
00:48:12,001 --> 00:48:15,000
yeah that's it.

638
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:21,000
Thank you, thank you, I'll will you come
back for December and have a booth so

639
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,001
people can learn more about how
to create a democratic web.

640
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:31,001
Thank you, thank you, thank you all right
i'm going to turn to another person in

641
00:48:31,001 --> 00:48:33,000
Europe, where it's even later.

642
00:48:34,001 --> 00:48:41,000
Savannah Lee is the brand manager of the
Mysterium network and she is right now,

643
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,000
I believe in Lisbon attending the web summit.

644
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:51,000
She must be super super tired, but thank
you so much for joining us to talk about

645
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,001
Mysterium, I mean I was I was struck by
something in your introduction that.

646
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,000
You say that only a quarter of the people
in the world have access to free and

647
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:06,000
open Internet and that that's where
Mysterium comes in. it's an open source

648
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:11,000
project creating a censorship resistant
layer on the Internet kind of like tour

649
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:14,000
but with incentives will you tell us more.

650
00:49:14,001 --> 00:49:19,001
Right yeah so thanks so much for that
introduction and i'm really happy to be

651
00:49:19,001 --> 00:49:23,001
here, it is when I am but I love to
connect with so many people in this

652
00:49:23,001 --> 00:49:25,000
community new faces old ones.

653
00:49:25,001 --> 00:49:31,001
So thank you so just to correct that
statistic it's one quarter of the Internet's

654
00:49:31,001 --> 00:49:38,000
users. don't actually have full access to
it so similarly to Jenny who's working

655
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,001
on an anti censorship or censorship
resistant kind of tool, we also are doing

656
00:49:42,001 --> 00:49:48,000
something very similar,
so let me just share my screen, so I can.

657
00:49:49,001 --> 00:49:52,000
give you more of an idea about it.

658
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,000
Can you see.

659
00:49:58,001 --> 00:50:04,000
All right perfect so like Wendy said
Mysterium is an open source project we're

660
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:09,001
creating a censorship resistant layer
mostly tools and web infrastructure, so we

661
00:50:09,001 --> 00:50:15,001
will found it in 2017 by a small team.
of developers and entrepreneurs, but now

662
00:50:15,001 --> 00:50:21,000
we're about 50 people spread all over the
world, so our first tool was actually a

663
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,001
decentralized VPN which is
powered by a peer to peer

664
00:50:24,001 --> 00:50:26,001
marketplace on the Ethereum network.

665
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:37,000
So this is a screenshot of our grafana
it's a beautiful thing to see in live

666
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
action the peer to peer nature of our tool.

667
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,000
So providers run our node
software and devices like

668
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,001
their computers or raspberry pies.

669
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,000
And they use the nodes to share their
Internet resources with each other, so in

670
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:54,000
our case that's for residential
ips and the node network function

671
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,000
similarly to tour network.

672
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,000
But with the micro economy
built in and nodes are paid for

673
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:01,001
the amount of traffic that they serve.

674
00:51:02,001 --> 00:51:06,000
So the marketplace is completely
permissionless anyone in
the world can join lend

675
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:11,000
their digital freedom to the global
community and. we've kind of grown this

676
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,001
community completely grassroots
it's been all organic,

677
00:51:14,001 --> 00:51:16,000
which is really humbling to see.

678
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,000
We have about 4000 nodes now spread
around the world and a lot of the more

679
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:25,001
popular regions is where they're concentrated
so the US UK where there's a little

680
00:51:25,001 --> 00:51:28,001
more let's say like Internet
access availability.

681
00:51:29,001 --> 00:51:33,001
As compared to sensitive regions,
so we have 100,000 monthly active users right

682
00:51:33,001 --> 00:51:37,001
now connecting to these nodes and
about 700 terabytes of monthly

683
00:51:37,001 --> 00:51:39,001
traffic flowing throughout the network and.

684
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,000
We can't do any kind of logging because
of the distributed nature of the network

685
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:48,000
so compared to traditional bpm
we do have quite a good value

686
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,000
proposition, even when you're just looking.

687
00:51:51,001 --> 00:51:54,001
Excuse me,
looking at use cases like streaming content.

688
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:03,000
So this is the interface super simple up
to use and you just select a location

689
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:04,001
based on where you'd like to be.

690
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:09,000
And you can pay with cryptocurrency
currently so you can remain anonymous or you

691
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,000
can. pay with cash in the next week or
two will be integrating fiat options.

692
00:52:14,001 --> 00:52:18,001
And on the right is the node runners
dashboard so anyone can sign up to the

693
00:52:18,001 --> 00:52:22,000
network and you have this hub to kind
of track your earnings your traffic

694
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,000
uptime and number of connections to your note.

695
00:52:25,001 --> 00:52:31,000
So why do we do this, just like most
people here in the D web Community

696
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:32,001
primary goal is.

697
00:52:33,001 --> 00:52:37,000
Digital rights and Internet freedom so
freedom of information freedom of speech

698
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:41,001
of the press we work really closely with
communities to help them bypass online

699
00:52:41,001 --> 00:52:43,001
censorship and Internet blackouts.

700
00:52:44,001 --> 00:52:48,001
For example, in Nigeria, about one year
ago when the Nsas protests were happening

701
00:52:48,001 --> 00:52:52,000
we worked with members of the
Community there during that time.

702
00:52:52,001 --> 00:52:56,000
To understand how we could help them
stay safe and connected and when the

703
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:00,000
government for and to ban social media
platforms like Twitter we were kind of

704
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,001
working with some ambassadors on the
ground to spread awareness and toolkits.

705
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,001
So where we are right now is we'll be
finally launching on mainnet in a few weeks

706
00:53:15,001 --> 00:53:19,001
which we've been through many iterations
and test nets and now we're finally

707
00:53:19,001 --> 00:53:21,000
going to be releasing the full version.

708
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:25,001
And we'll be growing our
ecosystem we really want to work

709
00:53:25,001 --> 00:53:27,000
with builders like I'll said.

710
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,000
There's so many amazing different projects
in this space or working together, and

711
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:36,000
so we kind of want to make our network
portable so you can plug into it leverage

712
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,000
the residential IP network as you need it.

713
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:44,000
We already work with proxy services data
scraping solutions even browsers and

714
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:48,001
other VPN so any service that needs to
make itself globally accessible and kind

715
00:53:48,001 --> 00:53:51,000
of wants to help expand this
layer and make it stronger.

716
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,001
So we're always looking to collaborate,
whether you're web to web three but yeah

717
00:53:55,001 --> 00:53:57,001
please do get in touch with me.

718
00:53:58,001 --> 00:54:04,001
So, so then I think we have time for one
question and that's what's the benefit

719
00:54:04,001 --> 00:54:09,000
of using Mysterium over tour,
which is already trusted it's free it doesn't

720
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,001
encourage people to use
hardware with non free blobs.

721
00:54:14,001 --> 00:54:20,000
I think usability is one of them so for
a lot of people to network can be quite

722
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,001
intimidating and it's not
probably as user friendly.

723
00:54:22,001 --> 00:54:27,001
For a lot of people just getting to know
censorship resistant tools, so we try to

724
00:54:27,001 --> 00:54:32,001
make it as we tried to lower the barriers
entry as much as we can for users.

725
00:54:33,001 --> 00:54:38,001
Also, it has more VPN functionality so
we're integrated with open VPN and why

726
00:54:38,001 --> 00:54:42,001
God, so we encrypt all the traffic so we
kind of enhanced privacy and anonymity.

727
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:47,001
And then, on the node side, obviously
the incentives are all there so you're

728
00:54:47,001 --> 00:54:52,000
getting paid, rather than just voluntarily
running a node we kind of try and

729
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,001
create a supply and demand model.

730
00:54:54,001 --> 00:54:59,000
Savannah thanks so much, and I hope
you'll also come back in December and

731
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:04,000
mannequins so that people who want to
get involved can can join you. yeah we'd

732
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:05,001
love that Thank you thanks [...]

733
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:10,001
Thanks thanks so much okay now
we're going to turn toward Asia

734
00:55:10,001 --> 00:55:12,001
and we're going to hear
from some of the people.

735
00:55:12,001 --> 00:55:19,001
Suji Yan, he is the co founder of mask
that I owe now you know his other

736
00:55:19,001 --> 00:55:25,001
co founder quite well you see Lou who
leads our Shanghai node. mask asked the

737
00:55:25,001 --> 00:55:30,000
simple question Okay,
the D web exists, but if everyone

738
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:31,001
is on Facebook and Twitter.

739
00:55:31,001 --> 00:55:37,000
How can you help create privacy on those
dominant platforms where people already

740
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,000
live here to share an answer
to that and his vision of mask

741
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,000
that I owe is Suji Yan.

742
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,000
Hello everyone Suji here.

743
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,000
I was born in Shanghai and right now
in New York City for the NFT but

744
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,001
calling from the mid-arvers.

745
00:55:56,001 --> 00:56:03,000
I'd love to share our story of the mass
network and especially how to potentially

746
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:09,000
have the mass adoption for the decentralized
web or the next generation of web on

747
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,001
the mainstream platform we use every day,
namely Facebook and Twitter.

748
00:56:15,001 --> 00:56:16,000
Hello.

749
00:56:19,001 --> 00:56:20,000
So.

750
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:27,001
From the very beginning of my career,
I was a journalist and also a engineer

751
00:56:27,001 --> 00:56:32,001
I study and wrote a lot of the
early history of the web 1.0.

752
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:38,000
Which that time everyone saying there was
evil monopoly company called Microsoft

753
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:43,001
Windows and we also know that time
night is the Internet exists.

754
00:56:43,001 --> 00:56:50,001
How can everyone without leaving Windows
use the Internet very easy solution

755
00:56:50,001 --> 00:56:55,000
browser in store and software
on the monopolized operating

756
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,000
system Windows and double click.

757
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:03,001
When I go to the open web at least much
more open web compared to think so I

758
00:57:03,001 --> 00:57:10,000
learned this story and during my traveling
my working with many activists and

759
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,000
engineers, I figure out probably will be
the same thing for our our revolution.

760
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Today, pretty much we are facing the
same problem that most of the existing

761
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:26,001
users, your grandma's my friends are
stuck in the mainstream platform meta

762
00:57:26,001 --> 00:57:28,001
Facebook or Twitter.

763
00:57:30,001 --> 00:57:34,000
And also we heard there's something called
decentralized web in a Western point.

764
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:40,000
I know we see decentralized storage domain,
you know, sensitive system power, but

765
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:45,000
there's no way to use them.
It's really hard to to use or doubt.

766
00:57:45,001 --> 00:57:50,001
How can we just, how about let's just put
this thing together and in in general

767
00:57:50,001 --> 00:57:54,000
on top of the face when Twitter.
So that's the idea of mass time.

768
00:57:54,000 --> 00:58:00,000
I own mass network. So this many functionality
we achieve in the past few year we

769
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,000
started in early 2018 speak for a year.

770
00:58:03,001 --> 00:58:10,001
I will do some real use case to show you
what is capable to do in mass network.

771
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,001
And we're going to also
provide several case study.

772
00:58:13,001 --> 00:58:20,000
So this is my browser. We see chromium browser,

773
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:25,001
you know, open source browser core is
pretty much the same thing as other

774
00:58:25,001 --> 00:58:30,001
mainstream browser installed the mass
extension on my brother and I can do this.

775
00:58:30,001 --> 00:58:35,000
I internet archive and

776
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,001
D web.

777
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,000
Let's decentralized the web.

778
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:49,001
I'll do this for demo purpose so it's all
encrypted for everyone. It will turns

779
00:58:49,001 --> 00:58:56,001
into gibberish now so I can turn into
stenography. So, I will, I will able to

780
00:58:56,001 --> 00:58:58,001
able to decrypt it automatically on my Twitter.

781
00:58:58,001 --> 00:59:00,001
[...]

782
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:06,000
So, anyone who installed
the mask can can see that I

783
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,000
can also change the recipient.

784
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,001
It's pretty much like the PGP
I can add different recipient.

785
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:18,001
For example, I want to have a topic between
any serum guy, and maybe other people

786
00:59:18,001 --> 00:59:22,000
I can add them in the in the in
the chat in the conversation.

787
00:59:22,001 --> 00:59:24,000
So this is for something I we achieved.

788
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:30,001
We caught here encryption encryption.
And then if you can send over message you

789
00:59:30,001 --> 00:59:35,001
can also able to send over file,
which is also some kind of message in

790
00:59:35,001 --> 00:59:38,000
IPFS or in file coin.

791
00:59:38,001 --> 00:59:41,000
For example, let me take a screenshot here.

792
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:49,000
This is more screenshot and we [...
] for we can do this in a file service. You

793
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,001
can use decentralized CDN you can make
it to see encrypted and just upload this

794
00:59:53,001 --> 00:59:59,000
thing by fun decentralized no somewhere
near you, and you upload this

795
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:01,000
into the decentralized storage.

796
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:08,000
Hi again, and I can use image payload,
so it will be ultimately encrypted and

797
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,001
and this file going to show up here.

798
01:00:11,001 --> 01:00:12,001
Click the file going to see the file.

799
01:00:13,001 --> 01:00:19,001
Yeah, and not only this, we can also send
money. So this is a game me during the

800
01:00:19,001 --> 01:00:24,001
Lunar New Year, I send money and metallic
also send money over on top of Twitter,

801
01:00:24,001 --> 01:00:26,001
so we can send money on Twitter, fun.

802
01:00:26,001 --> 01:00:32,000
What else can you do, like NFT right
everyone like NFT you know it's a digital

803
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,000
art. What if about you can put
NFT right on top of Twitter.

804
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:41,000
It's obvious David had got too many NFT I
think it's even. Oh, okay, it's loading

805
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:45,001
here. So, people sending him NFT
and we put that on top of Twitter.

806
01:00:45,001 --> 01:00:51,001
What if you can donation yeah so you
can even donate on Twitter on whatever

807
01:00:51,001 --> 01:00:57,000
platform you want. So, eventually,
the goal of mass network is try to say, hey,

808
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,000
people don't leave Twitter Facebook
because it's impossible to, you

809
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,001
know, move to another platform.

810
01:01:02,001 --> 01:01:09,001
How about let's stay here. And we build
a lot of things on top. So, math network

811
01:01:09,001 --> 01:01:14,000
is a crypto and decentralized web
project but also development SDK,

812
01:01:14,001 --> 01:01:16,000
people can build something on top.

813
01:01:16,001 --> 01:01:21,000
If you have skill it was decentralized storage,
then you can say, Oh, today

814
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:24,001
Twitter Facebook don't support it but I
will support it for them. If you have

815
01:01:24,001 --> 01:01:28,000
skill for NFT and art,
you can say oh I want to integrate

816
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:29,001
this NFT saying to them.

817
01:01:29,001 --> 01:01:36,000
And I'm in New York City, in the New York
elected mayor, he just, I think it's

818
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,000
yesterday he just announced he's going to
take his first repeat check in Bitcoin.

819
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:46,001
And what we can do is I want to buy his
tweet as an FT. So I, I just, you know,

820
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:53,001
go here and say, I will make an offer for
$1,000 for his tweet as an FT. So you

821
01:01:53,001 --> 01:01:56,001
can do many things you can
you can view this current web

822
01:01:56,001 --> 01:01:58,001
as an infrastructure layer.

823
01:01:58,001 --> 01:02:04,001
And do program on top. That's the key of
mass network. And this is a rep pocket

824
01:02:04,001 --> 01:02:11,000
to show NFT by the cell,
encrypted message, and your

825
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:17,001
galleries, your digital footprint but
in a privacy preserved manner, your PNP

826
01:02:17,001 --> 01:02:24,001
NFTs, and also your tweets
become something you can own by

827
01:02:24,001 --> 01:02:29,000
yourself. Eventually, what we're trying
to try to argue and trying to do and

828
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:36,000
trying to deliver is we view the,
the next generation of web, the D web is the

829
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,001
value layer of the current web.

830
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:42,001
And the current web, especially platforms
like Twitter and Facebook is becoming

831
01:02:42,001 --> 01:02:48,000
the
public utility is become the infrastructure.
It should not capture that value

832
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:51,000
that much value we with
this they capture today.

833
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:58,000
So let's build on top of them.
And without even let them permit, we just,

834
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,000
you know, do something over top.

835
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:08,000
We bring the D web on top of the web to
right now. Yeah, that's our goal. Yeah.

836
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:12,000
Thank you. Thank you, Suji.

837
01:03:13,001 --> 01:03:19,000
I think this is the first project I've
seen that has this approach we've seen

838
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,000
extensions working with web to.

839
01:03:22,001 --> 01:03:27,001
I'm just wondering if we have
time for one question. You and

840
01:03:27,001 --> 01:03:29,000
you see work in China.

841
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:36,001
What do you think will happen when
you use mask on Weibo or Twitter.

842
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:43,001
So the thing we tried to do is we
have to be decentralized. And I think

843
01:03:43,001 --> 01:03:50,000
the previous speaker, and also the audience
asked a question about the BDFL right

844
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:51,001
the the open source with a king.

845
01:03:52,001 --> 01:03:58,000
In my opinion, I agree that we should make
quick decision on the iteration of the

846
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,001
software but I think the key
I learned from the community.

847
01:04:02,001 --> 01:04:07,000
The activism community, journalism community
and you know, you see him on a big

848
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,001
point is you should be headless. You should be

849
01:04:10,001 --> 01:04:12,000
headless so you don't need to worry about this.

850
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:19,000
So let's say this Vitaly Buterin,
a Russian origin, a Canadian

851
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:24,000
guy, raised some money in China and
mostly stay in Singapore sounds very

852
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,000
suspicious and he's okay because
it's the Ethereum is headless.

853
01:04:28,001 --> 01:04:33,001
And obviously, I think a lot of other
projects survive and doing this like

854
01:04:33,001 --> 01:04:39,000
innovative way for decentralized web is
headless. So our goal is to be headless,

855
01:04:39,001 --> 01:04:42,000
which is, you know,
you can call me founder but I think it's CEO.

856
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:48,001
It's not a proper title for next two years.
That's our goal. And then you can

857
01:04:48,001 --> 01:04:53,000
say, you can live whatever place you want.
You can be

858
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,001
in the metaverse, you can be a nomad.

859
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,001
But this thing is going to robust and
survive and grow itself. So that's

860
01:04:59,001 --> 01:05:02,000
also our goal and vision.

861
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:08,000
Thank you. Thank you, Suji. I'm seeing
some good comments in the chat, including,

862
01:05:08,001 --> 01:05:15,000
yeah, including a conference that
Kalia Young is putting on about what's

863
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,001
what comes after Facebook so want
to point everyone to that as well.

864
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:27,000
Okay, well, from the metaverse where Suji,
who is not the founder but a

865
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:34,000
contributor to mask.io is coming from
to Ottawa, Canada, where we want to

866
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,000
bring you the words and the
insights of move signweaver.

867
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:45,001
I know move in many different forms
he they they are Canadian tech

868
01:05:45,001 --> 01:05:51,001
enthusiasts with a passion
for decentralization I know
them as a contributor to

869
01:05:51,001 --> 01:05:56,000
the DAP protocol, you may know them
as one of the main people behind the

870
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:02,001
Aggregore browser, but today move comes
to us to talk about hyper good dough.

871
01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:08,001
Hyper good dough is a new set of tools
that help you create peer to peer gaming

872
01:06:08,001 --> 01:06:15,001
using the good dough game engine.
So tell us more move signweaver.

873
01:06:17,001 --> 01:06:22,000
Hello, just get my slides up.
Can you hear me okay.

874
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:28,001
Sweet. Hi, so I'm move. I'm a decentralized
software consultant, and today we're

875
01:06:28,001 --> 01:06:34,001
going to be using at looking, looking at
using D web technology in video games.

876
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:40,001
So particularly we're going to be thinking
about multiplayer games. So a lot of

877
01:06:40,001 --> 01:06:45,000
games help connect folks together,
either through real time interactions like

878
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:48,001
presence or sharing levels or
even just sharing high scores.

879
01:06:48,001 --> 01:06:53,000
And so this is usually accomplished by
game developers setting up a server

880
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,001
somewhere in the cloud that
does all of that logic for you.

881
01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:02,001
However, cloud bad. Although the social
features we get from servers are nice.

882
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,001
This comes with some downsides, particularly
developers now need to maintain back

883
01:07:07,001 --> 01:07:12,000
end infrastructure, which means you need
more specialized developers and you need

884
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,000
more money to actually keep things working.

885
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:20,001
As well, if servers go down or if a person's
internet is spotty then suddenly the

886
01:07:20,001 --> 01:07:25,000
game is completely useless and they can't
do anything with it. Similarly, if a

887
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:31,001
company stops wanting to maintain these
servers, say like it's some sort of FPS

888
01:07:31,001 --> 01:07:33,001
that you might have enjoyed for a long time.

889
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,001
The game becomes unplayable and whatever
community got built up around it really

890
01:07:38,001 --> 01:07:42,000
doesn't have much of a choice or
anything they can do about it.

891
01:07:43,001 --> 01:07:48,001
However, we can have all of the fun of
online multiplayer without the downsides

892
01:07:48,001 --> 01:07:51,001
of the cloud by using peer to peer software.

893
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:56,001
So instead of connecting to a server
to send stuff like your avatar or your

894
01:07:56,001 --> 01:08:02,000
movement data or anything else that you
would normally use a server for it, you

895
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,000
can instead connect directly
to other players and

896
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:06,000
exchange it with peer to peer protocols.

897
01:08:06,001 --> 01:08:11,001
So this also means that developers don't
need to put as much effort into setting

898
01:08:11,001 --> 01:08:16,000
up the infrastructure. And even if development
stops the player base will be able

899
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:21,001
to do everything that they're used
to as if nothing changed at all.

900
01:08:22,001 --> 01:08:27,000
So with that in mind, I've been working
on a set of tools called HyperGado. This

901
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:32,001
combines the HyperCore protocol handlers
used in the Aggregore web browser with

902
01:08:32,001 --> 01:08:34,001
the open source Gado game engine.

903
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:41,001
So HyperCore provides peer to peer data
transfer API, along with a way to send

904
01:08:41,001 --> 01:08:44,001
ephemeral messages over connections.

905
01:08:45,001 --> 01:08:51,001
And Gado is an easy to use game engine
with a really active community and it lets

906
01:08:51,001 --> 01:08:58,000
people create user interfaces 2D and 3D games,
all without needing to buy into

907
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,001
proprietary software or
licenses like Unity or Unreal.

908
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:10,001
So as well, we have a bunch of really
high level building blocks. So instead of

909
01:09:10,001 --> 01:09:14,000
developers having to figure out how to
do everything from scratch, they can use

910
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,001
some of these primitives
from HyperGado to extend one

911
01:09:18,001 --> 01:09:20,000
of the high level demo scenes.

912
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:26,001
So they can do common stuff like exchanging
player information, sending movement

913
01:09:26,001 --> 01:09:32,000
data on the peer to peer network,
and even stuff like using lobbies for finding

914
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,001
games without having to have a
central server to track everything.

915
01:09:37,001 --> 01:09:42,000
So that's HyperGado.
I just wanted to give a really quick overview.

916
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:47,001
I also wanted to quickly thank Stripe
Studios for funding this work and also

917
01:09:47,001 --> 01:09:50,001
wanted to give a big thanks
to Gado and their awesome

918
01:09:50,001 --> 01:09:52,000
documentation and community.

919
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:58,000
And also thanks to the folks in the
Aggregore Discord that helped test some of

920
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,001
this and actually see if this peer to
peer Gado stuff was actually viable.

921
01:10:02,001 --> 01:10:08,000
So if you want to learn more, I suggest
you either check out the GitHub repo and

922
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,001
try to start a Gado project or
join us in the Aggregore Discord

923
01:10:13,001 --> 01:10:15,001
server and ask whatever questions.

924
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,001
Yeah, so hopefully we have more time for Q&A.

925
01:10:21,001 --> 01:10:27,001
Thank you, Mo. There is a question.
If you're playing an FPS with a fairly large

926
01:10:27,001 --> 01:10:33,000
amount of movement data, is this movement
data all written to an append-only log?

927
01:10:33,001 --> 01:10:38,000
And how did you solve the multi-writer problem?

928
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:45,000
Yeah, so the cool thing about movement
data is there's not that much benefit from

929
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:51,000
having a history of movement.
So what we actually have in HyperGado is

930
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,001
an ephemeral gossip layer.

931
01:10:52,001 --> 01:10:58,001
So the idea is you connect to people
in the level any which way or in an

932
01:10:58,001 --> 01:11:03,000
intelligent way, and you gossip out your
movement packets across the network.

933
01:11:03,001 --> 01:11:10,000
So if we have three people, A, B, and C,
A sends out a packet to B, B then

934
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,001
rebroadcasts that to C. And instead of
having to track all of those downloads and

935
01:11:14,001 --> 01:11:18,001
all of that storage, it just kind of
spreads throughout the network, similar to

936
01:11:18,001 --> 01:11:21,000
how you would over the internet.

937
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:27,000
So it kind of makes the load automatically
spread across the network, and you

938
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,001
don't really take a penalty
for having a lot of history.

939
01:11:31,001 --> 01:11:36,000
Here's a question from Gareth. Does this
architecture make it easier to cheat in

940
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,000
video games if everything is run client-side?

941
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:46,000
Yeah, so the absolutely naive approach,
yes, it's super easy to cheat because if

942
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,000
you just trust everything that comes
over the network, then anyone can do

943
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:54,000
whatever you want. However, all you really
need to do is add a little bit of more

944
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,000
validation.

945
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:00,001
For instance, your client can detect
when somebody is like clipping through

946
01:12:00,001 --> 01:12:04,001
walls, and then you can collectively just
ban them rather than having a server

947
01:12:04,001 --> 01:12:08,000
detect that and also do something about it.

948
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:12,001
As well, this really works for maybe
smaller scale things where you don't

949
01:12:12,001 --> 01:12:15,000
necessarily have like a global leaderboard

950
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,001
where you're trying to
like show off to everyone.

951
01:12:17,001 --> 01:12:21,000
This is more like if you're making stuff
with friends, you can get away with

952
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:22,001
making stuff easy to hack.

953
01:12:23,001 --> 01:12:28,001
But yeah, but the real answer is add
client-side validation if you want to

954
01:12:28,001 --> 01:12:33,001
prevent people from spoofing stuff.
And the bare minimum of that is to use

955
01:12:33,001 --> 01:12:36,001
encryption to actually verify that
data is coming from people that

956
01:12:36,001 --> 01:12:38,001
are allowed to send that data.

957
01:12:39,001 --> 01:12:43,001
So, Mo,
are you seeing anyone build with HyperGoTo yet?

958
01:12:44,001 --> 01:12:47,000
So, we're still super new.

959
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:52,000
Olim been working for a few months
and we finally have like some core

960
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,001
primitives to build on top.

961
01:12:55,000 --> 01:13:00,001
We don't have anyone using it yet,
but I'm hoping to reach out to some of the

962
01:13:00,001 --> 01:13:05,000
peer-to-peer, or sorry, decentralized VR
communities that are also building on

963
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:10,000
Godot to see if we can do some sort of
partnerships so that we can make peer-to

964
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:14,001
-peer virtual worlds together and load
them off of the D-Web, either in Godot or

965
01:13:14,001 --> 01:13:20,000
also by compiling Godot games to the
D-Web and say Aggregore, whatever

966
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:21,001
other peer-to-peer browser.

967
01:13:22,001 --> 01:13:24,000
So no, but hopefully.

968
01:13:25,001 --> 01:13:29,001
Hopefully, by the time we have D-Web
camp in July, we can all be playing

969
01:13:29,001 --> 01:13:32,000
HyperGoTo in spirited game.

970
01:13:33,001 --> 01:13:34,001
Thanks so much, Mo.

971
01:13:35,001 --> 01:13:42,000
Okay, we are down to our last two lightning
talks. The next person to present

972
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:48,000
is Joy Zhang.
Joy is the founder of Quark. She's a

973
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,001
designer, she's an engineer.

974
01:13:49,001 --> 01:13:56,001
She's been a part of four different startups,
two of which she was the founder of

975
01:13:56,001 --> 01:14:01,001
today, though. She's here to talk about Quark,
which is a Web 3.0 browser plus

976
01:14:01,001 --> 01:14:07,000
social platform that shows you paths
across the internet. Joy, take it away.

977
01:14:08,001 --> 01:14:13,001
Thank you, Wendy. And hello, guys.
I'm pretty new to the D-Web community, so I'm

978
01:14:13,001 --> 01:14:19,000
really excited to be here. I'm going to
share my screen and we'll get started.

979
01:14:20,001 --> 01:14:26,001
Okay, so again, my name is Joy,
and today I'll be telling you about my startup

980
01:14:26,001 --> 01:14:31,000
Quark, which is a cross between
a browser and a social platform.

981
01:14:31,001 --> 01:14:36,000
And this is a bit strange, but really
with Quark, we asked one question related

982
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:43,000
to expanding the reach of a democratic Web,
which is how do we incentivize the

983
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:47,000
decentralized Web for online users at large,
especially people who

984
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,001
aren't familiar with D-Web principles.

985
01:14:48,001 --> 01:14:54,000
To do that, we started with interaction
design and approached technology, a

986
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,001
technology and policy problem
from a design perspective.

987
01:14:57,001 --> 01:15:03,000
And we found that the internet of today
is this entire universe with links

988
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:07,001
emerging and dying off every single moment.
Each of us have our own unique

989
01:15:07,001 --> 01:15:09,000
constellations across it.

990
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:15,001
And our complex browsing habits extend
into Web 2.0, Web 3.0, wherever

991
01:15:15,001 --> 01:15:17,000
we go within that universe.

992
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:22,000
So it makes no sense that we're still
relying on technology based on the filing

993
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:25,000
cabinet with tabs, folders and files.

994
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:30,000
So Quark is the browser that shows
you paths across the internet.

995
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:36,001
And those paths are indexed for the people
and by the people and are specifically

996
01:15:36,001 --> 01:15:41,000
made for explorers in the internet universe
like content creators and auto-idacs.

997
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,000
So with Quark, we wanted to transform
going down a rabbit hole from something

998
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:51,001
like this to an experience like this,
where you can see a collective map of the

999
01:15:51,001 --> 01:15:56,000
internet and where relationships between
websites are visually represented based

1000
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:59,000
off of recency, frequency and popularity.

1001
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:05,000
So how would we use Quark?
Let's look at one example where Quark makes

1002
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,000
information more accessible to a
content creator and also an auto-idac,

1003
01:16:09,001 --> 01:16:11,001
doing research on sustainability.

1004
01:16:11,001 --> 01:16:16,000
We're all trying our best to fight climate
change. For some of us, that means

1005
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:21,000
working on sustainability solutions such
as surlamps in and outside of work.

1006
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:26,001
There are thousands of people doing the
same thing all across the world. What if

1007
01:16:26,001 --> 01:16:31,000
there's a way to share our expertise
based on shared purpose? With the browser

1008
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:33,000
Quark, there is a way.

1009
01:16:33,001 --> 01:16:38,000
For example,
Neil is an expert in solar lamps who conducts

1010
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,001
most of his research online.

1011
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:45,000
As he goes online, the Quark browser
automatically organizes his online research.

1012
01:16:45,001 --> 01:16:49,001
Neil is able to better track
and reaccess his own resources.

1013
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:55,000
When he's done, he can share his map of
resources to others in the world so that

1014
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,000
like-minded people can
discover helpful information.

1015
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,001
Now on the other side of the world,
Sally has just begun

1016
01:17:02,001 --> 01:17:04,000
learning more about solar lamps.

1017
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,001
She begins using Quark to
learn from tagged resource

1018
01:17:07,001 --> 01:17:09,000
maps from experts in the field.

1019
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:15,000
As she explores the content, the internet
path visualizations let her keep track

1020
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:19,000
of the larger picture and meet
others when viewing similar online

1021
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,000
websites and search results.

1022
01:17:21,001 --> 01:17:27,000
She finds Neil and hitchhikes along with him,
discovering new resources together.

1023
01:17:28,001 --> 01:17:32,000
Quark helps Sally and Neil
inspire each other and save

1024
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,001
energy on online searching.

1025
01:17:33,001 --> 01:17:38,001
This is Quark, the browser that
shows you paths across the internet.

1026
01:17:40,001 --> 01:17:44,001
So that shows you how two people
could possibly use Quark.

1027
01:17:45,001 --> 01:17:49,000
But in Quark, what's important is that
the sharing and collectiveness is not

1028
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,000
forced, but rather intentional.

1029
01:17:51,001 --> 01:17:56,000
So auto-didacs no longer have to start
from scratch when learning more about the

1030
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,001
D-Web, for example, or even solar lamps.

1031
01:17:58,001 --> 01:18:03,000
And anyone can encounter like-minded
people right in the browser as you

1032
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,000
discover the content in real time.

1033
01:18:05,001 --> 01:18:09,001
You also have full control of your online
constellations, whether you keep it to

1034
01:18:09,001 --> 01:18:11,001
yourself or share it with the world.

1035
01:18:12,001 --> 01:18:19,000
And to summarize, the idea is to enable
decentralized Googling and crowdsource

1036
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,000
content indexing, all while making the
browsing experience more suitable for

1037
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:26,001
niche content and recommendations
from other users.

1038
01:18:26,001 --> 01:18:32,001
And it's the right time and place to build
this because 86% of Gen Z's trust read

1039
01:18:32,001 --> 01:18:35,000
it now as much as Google or Amazon.

1040
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,001
And also hundreds of thousands of users
are already trying to work around for

1041
01:18:40,001 --> 01:18:44,001
crowdsourcing content discovery on Twitch,
Twitter, Obsidian,

1042
01:18:44,001 --> 01:18:46,000
Rome, and other extensions.

1043
01:18:46,001 --> 01:18:51,000
And not many people are really looking
at the intersection of navigation

1044
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,001
experience and serendipity,
serendipitous connections between

1045
01:18:55,001 --> 01:18:57,000
different pieces of information.

1046
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:02,000
There are no available tools that let
users discover, share, and keep track of

1047
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:06,000
content all in line with the browsing
experience, not to mention doing so

1048
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:08,000
locally or peer-to-peer.

1049
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:14,000
So we've had over 70 conversations and
interviews with heavy Internet users, all

1050
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:18,001
of whom have no connection to the D-Web
community, and there was a significant

1051
01:19:18,001 --> 01:19:22,000
amount of interest for our
initial interface prototypes.

1052
01:19:22,001 --> 01:19:25,001
So we're really, really early on,
much earlier than

1053
01:19:25,001 --> 01:19:27,000
a lot of the projects we saw before.

1054
01:19:27,001 --> 01:19:32,001
So we're currently developing an
MVP for a March beta release.

1055
01:19:32,001 --> 01:19:38,001
Our team is pretty interdisciplinary
but comes at this problem from a design

1056
01:19:38,001 --> 01:19:43,000
perspective and we really believe that if
this gets big, this could make a lot of

1057
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:48,001
those centralized platforms of today
look really archaic, and also less

1058
01:19:48,001 --> 01:19:50,000
effective for finding what you want.

1059
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:57,000
So finally, I'm curious to hear what
you guys think. Do you think you'd use

1060
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:03,000
Quark? What do you think about the
platform so far, or what you saw? We're

1061
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:08,001
looking for beta testers and devs to take
equity-holding positions in the team or

1062
01:20:08,001 --> 01:20:10,000
give any feedback about it.

1063
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:13,001
Anyhow,
thanks for your time and I hope to see you

1064
01:20:13,001 --> 01:20:15,001
somewhere else on the Internet universe.

1065
01:20:16,001 --> 01:20:23,000
Thank you so much, Joy.
People are asking, is there a URL

1066
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,000
where they can try out Quark?

1067
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:32,001
So right now there is an early interface,
but we're updating it currently, so the

1068
01:20:32,001 --> 01:20:35,000
best way to get access is to fill out this

1069
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,001
interest form that I'm pasting in the chat.

1070
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:41,000
So we're going to be showing a few people
some prototypes to get feedback and

1071
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:43,001
hopefully develop it with input from users.

1072
01:20:44,001 --> 01:20:48,000
People are saying they love that Quark
is kind of putting people into a virtual

1073
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:53,000
space across the web, a social layer
across the web that's really interesting.

1074
01:20:53,001 --> 01:20:57,000
But does Quark support people
annotating web pages as part of

1075
01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:58,001
that content that they're sharing?

1076
01:20:59,001 --> 01:21:04,000
Yeah, so I've looked into a lot of
nonprofit organizations doing something

1077
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:07,001
similar,
like Hypothesis is actually one example.

1078
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:14,001
And interestingly enough, China is sort
of a leader in the space with messages

1079
01:21:14,001 --> 01:21:17,000
that can be annotated by anyone using certain

1080
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:19,000
platforms, but it's all centralized.

1081
01:21:19,001 --> 01:21:24,001
The idea is to enable annotation
because there's a lot of

1082
01:21:24,001 --> 01:21:30,000
benefit and insight that can be brought
in just by seeing what other people

1083
01:21:30,000 --> 01:21:31,001
think on a specific website.

1084
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:39,001
Great, great. So let's see.

1085
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:47,001
Want a colab to get P2P protocols into
your browser? Something like Aggregore?

1086
01:21:48,000 --> 01:21:53,001
Yes, that would be so cool.
I actually messaged Mo on Twitter,

1087
01:21:54,001 --> 01:21:58,000
but I thought I would be so down for that.

1088
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:04,000
We also know Dan Whaley, who's the founder
of Hypothesis, and he comes to a lot

1089
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:08,001
of D-Web events. So happy to make those
kind of introductions too, if you want

1090
01:22:08,001 --> 01:22:10,000
to get deep into annotation.

1091
01:22:10,001 --> 01:22:15,000
That would be amazing. Yeah, I found
them and I was like, how is someone else

1092
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:18,000
already doing this? Really pumped.

1093
01:22:19,000 --> 01:22:23,000
Okay, well, Joy, thanks so much for sharing
and good luck. And we hope that you

1094
01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:25,001
find some collaborators
right here in this group.

1095
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,000
Thank you, Wendy. And thank you, guys.

1096
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:35,001
Thank you. Okay, not least,
but last is our next presenter,

1097
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:42,000
Bernhard Borges. He's a PhD, so I suppose
we should call him Dr. Borges, coming

1098
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,000
to us from a city just north of Austin, Texas.

1099
01:22:45,001 --> 01:22:50,000
He is a research scientist at the
Fluence Project, which is a peer-to-peer

1100
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:55,000
application platform that allows you to
create apps that are free of proprietary

1101
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,001
cloud providers or centralized APIs.

1102
01:22:58,001 --> 01:23:03,000
He has a distinguished background.
Bernhard was a former chief scientist at Doc,

1103
01:23:03,001 --> 01:23:08,001
a distinguished engineer at IBM,
and now he is the research scientist at Fluence

1104
01:23:08,001 --> 01:23:10,001
Project. Bernhard, welcome to the D-Web.

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Thank you very much for having him.
Thanks for everybody for being here. Tough

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acts to follow. Great, great projects. This is

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awesome. Just listening in. Very nice.

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And just spend a little bit of time
explaining what Fluence does and how we think

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that with peer-to-peer protocols and networks,
we can

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change the centralized web narrative.

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And from our perspective, Web2 has been
an abject failure. We have never even

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come close to the division and admission
that's been put forward for the web.

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And the reality is actually brutal.
It is terrible. The more you look at it, the

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more depressed you get. Censorship,
not just from a traditional state-sponsored

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agency, but from a large variety
of corporations that use

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their business agreements
we all sign and never read,

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almost as weapons to make it very
difficult not just to onboard, but

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actually to stay onboard it and transact.

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We are relying on oligopoly of
cloud providers that have a very

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spotty performance record and as an
increasingly particular edge device based on

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social [...] cultures, even

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medical devices are dependent on internet
transactions, those kinds of brownouts

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are absolutely unacceptable.

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And then of course, nobody even talks about,
barely talks about anymore, that

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data breaches are, you know, you get your
$15 for your annual protection and

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that's pretty much all there is to it.

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Unless of course it gets further siloed
and sold drastically. So from our

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perspective, we really were looking at how
this can be changed from the bottom up

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and Fluence has been added for several years,
one of the earlier adopters, and we

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really feel that peer-to-peer protocols
and networks can improve a lot of the

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issues that put these chokeholds
into the Web 2 infrastructure and

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therefore we can start pushing into
Web 3 with a much more scalable and

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friendly environments that foster code
reuse because this is one of those

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problems still that further
mitigates access and democratizing

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the use of applications because the
code we use is actually fairly minimal.

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Despite many large providers,
including Amazon, for example, making an

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enormous amount of money, value capture
from open source contributions, and most

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of the projects actually benefit very,
very poorly from it.

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We also believe that security and
censorship resilience can be drastically

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improved with peer-to-peer networks and
we can really shift control of resources

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including data back to the user, to the owner.

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And that's sort of where Fluence comes in.
So what Fluence does is we have an

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open source peer-to-peer protocol that
allows the creation of applications free

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of a lot of centralized
intermediaries and centralized APIs.

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And the way it works is basically the
protocol is very compute-based and

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is represented then in nodes.
And the network we have, which is totally

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open and permissionless,
anybody can join, serves as a next-gen

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or decentralized cloud platform
that allows the deployment of

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custom services that can then be composed
with a language called Aqua into

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decentralized applications. So anybody
can run a node, peer-to-peer node that's

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based on libp2p, join the network and
start providing compute capabilities. On

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those compute capabilities through WebAssembly,
services can be deployed and they

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can then be through a marketplace even
discovered, they can be free, they can be

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chart for whatever it needs to be and
can then be composed with our language

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called Aqua, which is very, very high level.
So it really abstracts away from all

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the problems you usually find when you have to

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program in the peer-to-peer environment.

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And I probably should have brought an example,
but I didn't because I knew time

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was tight. And it's almost, it's not
quite as easy as content addressability

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provided by IPFS, but it's very close.
We're basically operating off-location

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tuples instead of single CID,
but it's very similar.

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And provide a lot of integration with
decentralized web protocols, including IPFS

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and IPFS related solutions such as ceramic,
textile, etc,

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blockchains and many more.

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And one of the core tenets of the Fluence
network is the data model. The data

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model is a push model. Unlike in the
traditional cloud server where you make a

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call and get a response back,
you make a call, you get a response back.

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In our peer-to-peer world,
we have a data push model. So unless the

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workflow seizes or there is a reason for
co-routine to come back to the client,

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all the computation is pushed
out to the network, which

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makes for very, very thin clients.

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I mean, much thinner than just browsers
and edge devices. And since the majority

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of the 8 billion people out there do not have
$5,000 MacBook Pros or $1,500 Apple

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iPhones, but run on much lower hardware,
thin clients are, in our opinion, a

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huge,
huge requirement in order to democratize and

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access to a lot of resources.

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And that we believe with
peer-to-peer we can do.

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If I have, I haven't heard the clock yet,
but this sort of how it looks like from

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a technology perspective, there are two
layers to Fluence. One is marine, which

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is basically everything that needs
to be done in order to manage

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distributed computation.

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And all these distributed services
are based on WebAssembly IT.

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So very, very portable, very next gen,
very relatively easy to

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do and a great alternative to your average

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function as a service.

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And then the Aqua language I mentioned
before is really a composition language

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that allows you to script distributed systems,
including peer-to-peer

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application, and that actually goes past
the boundaries of the Fluence network.

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And we have integrations with IPFS,
for example, where you can use, where you can

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compose,
compute and store with IPFS using Aqua.

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So that was sort of it in a nutshell.
If you want to learn more, Fluence.network,

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GitHub, it's github.com forward slash
Fluence Labs. We're on any of the channels,

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Discord, Telegram, Twitter,
Fluence, blah, blah, blah.

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If you want to go Discord,
that's probably where a lot of the developments

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happening. It's fluence.chat.

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And like everybody else we're hiring,
if you're in the decentralized web, if

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you're interested, technology or on the
operations side, shout out and we'd

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love to talk to you.

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Anybody have any questions? I'm ready.

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I think you had to double quack,
Bernard, but I hope that you'll come

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over to join us and gather and also come
back next month when you can have a

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booth and people can come up
and find you and learn more.

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But thank you so much for joining us.

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Okay, well that was a lot to take in.
We've basically gone around the world. And

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I just wanted to say thanks and remind
you that next month we're going

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to do something just a little bit different.

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We're going to do a holiday fair inspired
by a trip I took to Berlin where you

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have all these wonderful holiday booths.

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And each of you can have a booth and
people will come up and ask you about your

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projects, you can see if they're looking
for jobs, looking for volunteers, and

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all you have to do is fill out this Jot form,
which will drop into the chat and

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claim a booth and gather town. We hope no
matter what you'll come and party with

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us for the holidays.
That's December 8 at 10am Pacific.

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And finally, this is what we always do
some people will stay for hours and want

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to send you over to our environment at gather.
town I don't know if you guys have

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ever been there when we started with
gather town, there were like three

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engineers, they just, I think, raised
$50 million yesterday in their

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latest round of VC funding. But this is
what it'll look like you'll be in a park,

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you'll have an avatar you can run
around you can ask people to come [...]

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You can ask people questions, you can
put a cone of silence around you in case

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you want to have a private conversation.
There's lots of fun functionalities. So

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please, we're dropping this into the chat.

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The password is get D web. And thank you
so much for being with us. We really

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love seeing everyone and thank you so
much Coraline for your inspiring words.

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Okay, take care and we'll see you next month.

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In gather.